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Kevin McKinney's avatar

How do these huge drop off votes for Trump in swing states compare historically? Have we seen anything like this before? I have a real hard time believing that several hundred thousand citizens would vote Democrat on the down ballot races -- for senate or attorney general, etc. -- but then pick Trump for president. I'm not an expert in the field, but it seems to me the only way to get at the guts of what happened is still a Forensic Audit, a close up examination of the ballots compared to the votes tallied. Interestingly, Jackie Singh just published details on Twitter and Reddit that implicate an infamous Russian hack in controlling the GOP and our elections. More should come from that.Thank you for your work.

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lora's avatar

I agree, I question the outcome because there are too many disparities from previous years...with Musk and DeJoy involved, it definitely is questionable.

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ArcticStones's avatar

The author is honest enough to voice the key observation, the one that matters, up front:

"We don’t have any proof that the election results are incorrect or manipulated."

– Lulu Friesdat

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Kevin McKinney's avatar

but overwhelming evidence that demands answers

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Garr Novick's avatar

Not yet….

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Mok's avatar

The election was not without interferece, and in Nevada there is more than evidence. But lawsuits, and grifting!

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Tbombs23's avatar

It's unprecedented basically. Typical drop off is usually less than 1%.

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WB's avatar

Please see a Reddit-community-driven explanation of how AI and brand new Direct to Cell satellite tech could have been used to insert drop off ballots and cause these strange results. https://substack.com/home/post/p-153003086

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MmycshhDave Kliman's avatar

Investigate the mail-in ballots. Check how many were requested, vs how many were cast. Did Lewis dejoy’s XPO privatized mail processing facility ‘lose’ millions of ballots?

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lora's avatar

My guess is yes, ballots were conveniently lost or destroyed.

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Becks Worth's avatar

Not to mention those which were held at customs for weeks for no reason and then returned to sender...in Germany. But that didn't stop the woman from flying from Germany to vote in person. True hero. (I read this online and believe it to be true and accurate.)

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Average Jane's avatar

In NC every state wide race went to democrats, Trump won the state. It’s easier to claim there are funny numbers than recognize that swing states were targeted with multiple tactics to surprise democrat voters. In an election where you only have to chip away tens of thousands votes in key states it’s easy to see how the tactics worked when each of them only had to surprise a few thousand voters to be successful because combined it would tally up to a winning margin. If people don’t learn from this we will be back here again in a couple of years.

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Gatekeeperken's avatar

If they just do this obvious state of theft, they can easily prove we need to call a National Emergency for the arrest of Trump and his minion.

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Average Jane's avatar

The tactics served to cause decreased voter turnout and brainwashing of the damaged cult. It’s called successful marketing and it is not illegal. Same with playing games with voter purges and other suppression tactics. The only illegal crap was the bomb threats to polling location of Election Day but they were just a small impact, but also, add all the small stuff and it becomes just enough.

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Ed Averill's avatar

The failure of a voter group to fold into a single group against war, and inequality is where I get the most suspicious.

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Average Jane's avatar

With a voter group that frequently lets itself be manipulated by media marketing shaping reality it is not surprising there is a failure to fold into a united group on the left. On the right, that diseased media ecosystem has fully co-opted its audience which is why it is in near lockstep voting and has to continue toward more extremes to keep them engaged.

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George Carty's avatar

Did you write "surprise" when you meant "suppress" there?

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Gatekeeperken's avatar

This is pretty obvious. We were robbed!

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Rick T's avatar

That's fair but, fairly generalized. In contrast, it could be said that voter privacy would veil a states exploit of one race easier than having numerous state & local anomalies. This would create more state scrutiny because the local results, especially in rural, small population regions, could be vetted and recounted easily and draw more attention. With an entire state questioning 1 race, you couldn't generate a sizeable group feeling curious, demanding action.

Now, the reason there were alot of questions about results is where trump's flawed personality comes into frame. IMO, if an exploit was implemented, then trump being trump is what lead to the data being researched. There would be 12 or less counties to manipulate in order to have achieved a winning result and leave a minimal footprint; chip-away as you stated. The best exploits are the ones you never or can't easily find. The never fail, admit fault, winner (self-proclaimed), tough guy, Cohn & Stone disciple, womanizing, and desired persona says I'm better than minimal. He wants all the swing states to prove how desired and popular he is when in fact, he was losing his base support before election day. More manipulation would need some offset, i.e. padding both candidates appropriately in their strongholds, patterning data where implemented but this is assuming there will only be scrutiny if any, on the swing states.So, enter that data patterning seen for the first time in election history. Not 1 red county was flipped to blue and all flips in this election were from blue to red, nationwide. Another never-before seen stat in all previous elections. His small ego and ignorance may be the reason this data manipulation was found.

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Gatekeeperken's avatar

Horseshit

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NK's avatar

Contact Harris and tell her to demand a recount.

🗽🇺🇲🇺🇦

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Truth Beauty Love's avatar

I thought THE SAME since Nov 6. Are we collectively just “coming to” now? in order to discuss, organize, rally, protest, resist, respond and say FU to the patriarchal society? No way am I accepting the outcome of 2024 U.S. “election”! It was sooooow manipulated. I’m not a D nor an R. I’m human.

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Lonnie E's avatar

The 2024 DNC Presidental Campaign

- Silence for 3 years, 7 months

- Campaign 5 months in swing states

The 2024 RNC Presidential Campaign

- 4 years constant FOX campaign for GOP's in all 50 states

From Hopium Chronicles on SubStack.

We need a more robust 24/7/365 pro-democracy media we discussed yesterday, but we also need a more aggressive Democratic Party-led strategy to engage Democratic voters in all 50 states to drive turnout in every election, in every state. The Democratic Party and our Presidential campaigns have to be more than just 7 battleground states.

https://open.substack.com/pub/simonwdc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=280c3q

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Gatekeeperken's avatar

The only TV outlet for Dems is Free Speech TV. One guy like Mark Cuban could buy it and make it our megaphone. This is why we suck at delivering our message. Nobody saw it. Thanks to Fox for screwing the country again.

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Kelk's avatar

When you gave this information to the candidates, the Democratic party, various honest election advocacy groups, meidas news hosts, even the cnns of the world, or the Courts, anybody?

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Bsienkart's avatar

100% rigged. And no one can change my mind.

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Michael S Phillips's avatar

You don't cover Georgia, but I did my own amateur analysis of that state and found a consistent anomalous pattern. In a large number of red counties, Trump's percentage margin of victory goes down from 2020 but the vote total goes up dramatically. He still wins these counties despite his percent of the vote going down. The vote total differences are often extreme. The biggest is Jackson county in which his victory margin goes down by 2.93% but the vote total goes up by 20.23%!

I think this means that Harris was making these counties more competitive, dropping Trump's percentage of the vote significantly. Thus, they had to add drop-off votes to make up for it and maintain Trump's victory. The alternative explanation that Trump is just mega popular doesn't fly, because if people were turning out in bigger numbers because they were excited about his campaign, why would his margin of victory go down? Even more suspicious: if you add up all the extra votes in these counties, they are very close to his margin of victory for the state.

In the blue counties, you see the opposite phenomenon, and Harris's percentage margin of victory goes down slightly or stays the same, while the total number of votes goes down. I suspect this makes up the rest of what Trump needed to take him over the line and out of the margin for automatic recounts.

These numbers appear to be designed to make us think that Trump is just super popular, more than 2016 or 2020, more than ever and somehow this was hidden from us during the campaign. But none of it comports with the known facts and observations during the campaign.

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Ben Hinnant's avatar

These are indeed strange numbers. As others have pointed out, historical context matters - has this degree of drop off voting happened before? My own cruder analysis comparing only drop off votes between presidential and senate elections in swing vs non-swing states found the same basic results as yours - drop off votes heavily favored Trump in swing states in 2024. Even with the small sample size of the swing state group, statistical testing suggests the differences in drop off votes in swing vs non-swing states is improbable.

I also pulled the data from 2020 as a comparison. Drop off votes favoring Trump in swing states increased dramatically from 2020 to 2024. I can't speak to other historical data. Did this happen, for example, when Reagan won in a blowout in 1980?

I also can't speak to reasons, nefarious or innocent, that caused these drop off numbers. What I do know is numbers, and these numbers are so anomalous that they're setting off all my data analysis alarms.

I'd like to think there are innocent reasons for the dropoff votes, like the possibilities listed at the end of your post. I'd also feel a lot better if a forensic audit confirmed that these drop off votes are real. Enough experts have shouted "smoke!" that it's worth seeing if there's a fire. Time is running out to investigate this further.

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JNelliE's avatar

Why the complete silence from the Harris campaign?

Not a peep?!

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Christopher's avatar

At a minimum the voting machines need to be checked for malware hacking.

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David Lasagna's avatar

Clarification, please. This is the last sentence between the 1st two graphs-- "Republican drop-off is still greater in the non-swing states, but the difference is less extreme: 2 % Republican drop-off compared to 1.37% Democratic drop-off." I don't understand the "still greater" part. You've got four more non-swing states than swing states with a much greater total population yet they combine for almost 300,000 fewer drops-offs. How does that equal "still greater"?

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David Lasagna's avatar

Thanks, Jenn. How embarrassing. Of course, they meant still greater meaning it was still happening, not even greater still, the way I insisted on interpreting it. Me-minus one brain. Thanks for the clarification.

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